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New System for Handling Films Marked as Adult

Recently, a lot of sexploitation and other classic exploitation and cult films have been removed from Letterboxd because someone on TMDB has been marking them as Adult. I think that the process of importing titles needs to be rethought, because it is drastically affecting my abilities to keep track of my lists and reviews, and it really hurts to see titles disappear after I have put effort into writing reviews and managing lists.

Something really needs to be done about this, because this has continued to be an issue since I first started using the site, and so far there has been no solution to these issues.

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  • AdminMatthew Buchanan (Admin, Letterboxd) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    @Nick Sorry, it’s been reclassified as Adult by another TMDb moderator, so got removed again. We don't have the resources to look into it further, I’d suggest approaching someone in their forums if it’s definitely miscategorized.

  • Nick commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    The link doesn't seem to work and the film still doesn't show up when you click on Andrea Bianchi's name.

  • Nick commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    'Malabimba' (1979) isn't available to add on Letterboxd because Tmdb has it marked as adult even though it is an Italian possession/horror film with a couple harder scenes. This film has been put out by Severin films and can be purchased on any online site. This is the kind of film that shouldn't be limited. It's one of my favorite erotic horror films and I can't add it to my page.

  • M Kitchell commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I feel like there's something inherently limiting to the idea that a film has to be on a pre-approved list to be considered important or historically significant, because it entirely precludes the possibility of discovery--especially in a zeitgeist where lost or forgotten films are re-found and re-discovered almost every day, I feel like it's difficult to make any list that would be all inclusive.

    One potential solution would be to just allow all adult film made before video took over the the pornography industry (which someone with more historical knowledge than me should jump in on, but I'd suggest somewhere around '86 to '88 probably), while having a list of pre-approved films that would follow after that. I would expect 95% of what people would want to be logging and discussing would qualify under this sort of rubric, and then it'd be much easier to come up with a much shorter list that is just '88 to now (similarly, I would believe that films from the dawning of the genre to the switch to video as a primary medium would be where the undiscovered gems are sitting, since economically there was a lot less need for any sort of experimentation or narrative once video hit). This also would inherently allow almost everything listed thus far.

    Off the top of my head, here relevant post-video titles could pretty easily be culled from the chapter on "New Wave Pornography" in David Flint's book BABYLON BLUE from Creation Cinema. This is a lot of work along the lines of what was made by David Blake, Michael Ninn--who made both all male & much more famous heterosexual pornography, the Dark Brothers (and of course Rinse Dream's oeuvre shouldn't be cut off at a certain date).

    This brings up a related issue, and something especially relevant to Letterboxd--there are a number of auteurs who worked occasionally in pornography. Abel Ferrara, Roger Watkins, Jess Franco, Jean Rollin, Jose Benezeraf, and many more, and not being able to discuss certain works by important film directors closes out some of the more dynamic elements of their careers.

    With all that being said, if a "comprehensive list" is really needed, I'd request that we're allowed some time to actually attempt to collectively throw this together, as I know I at least would want to comb through the large number of reference books on the subject, internet message boards, and just look at what's available before anything set in stone occurs.

  • C.A. Hall commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    How about any classic erotic films that have been recently released on blu-ray/dvd by reputable video distributors

  • hill89 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Just in case you can't open that One Drive from my previous comment, I'll paste it here. The number to the right is the year for each one.

    Night Trips 1989
    Nothing to Hide 1981
    Latex and Latex 2:Shock 1995
    Behind the Green Door 1972
    Nothing to Hide 2: Justine 1992
    Bobby Sox 1996
    Buttman's European Vacation 1991
    Opening of Misty Beethoven, The 1976
    John Leslie's Dog Walker 1993
    Scoundrels 1982
    Devil in Miss Jones 3 and 4, The 1986
    Insatiable 1980
    Drop Sex 1997
    Debbie Does Dallas 1978
    Café Flesh 1982
    Sex World 1978
    New Wave Hookers 1986
    Devil in Miss Jones 1973
    Face Dance Part 1 and 2 1992
    Bad Wives 1997
    Taboo 1980
    Voyeur 5, The 1995
    Talk Dirty to Me 1980
    Chameleons: Not the Sequel 1993
    Bottom Dweller 1993
    Zazel 1997
    Sex and Sex 2:Fate 1994
    Buttslammers 1993
    Never So Deep 1981
    Bad Girls 1981
    Neon Nights 1981
    Body & Soul 1999
    Between the Cheeks 2 1990
    Fresh Meat: A Ghost Story 1995
    Adventures of Buttman, The 1989
    Rocco: Animal Trainer 3 2000
    3 A.M.:The Time of Sexuality 1975
    Double Feature! 1999
    Resurrection of Eve, The 1973
    In Defense of Savannah: On Trial 1991
    Deep Throat 1972
    History of the Blue Movie, A 1970
    Reel People 1984
    Euro Angels 1997
    Ecstacy Girls, The 1979
    House of Dreams 1990
    SodoMania 1:Tales of Perversity 1992
    Hidden Obsessions 1992
    Private Video Magazine 1 1992
    Kinky Business 1984
    X Factor 1984
    Wild Things 1985
    Up & Cummers: The Movie 1994
    Pyramid 1, 2, and 3, The 1996
    Jekyll & Hyde 2000
    Beauties in Paradise 1993
    Blue Movie 1995
    American Tushy 1996
    Café Flesh 2 1997
    Dark Garden 1999
    New Wave Hookers 4 1995
    Night Dreams 1981
    Slave to Love 1993
    Clockwork Orgy 1995
    Pussyman 5: Captive Audience 1994
    Wild Goose Chase 1991
    Dark Angels 2000
    Cheeks 2: The Bitter End 1989
    Secret Garden, The 1993
    World Sex Tour 1 1995
    My Bare Lady 1989
    Realities 1991
    Sensual Escape 1988
    Firestorm 1, 2, and 3 1987
    Farmer's Daughters: The Movie 1986
    Amanda By Night 1981
    Looker 1998
    Blame It on Ginger 1986
    Bus Stop Tales 1989
    Sorority Sweethearts 1983
    White Women 1986
    Two Women 1992
    Masseuse, The 1990
    Conflict 1988
    Red Vibe Diaries: Object of Desire 1997
    Texas Dildo Masquerade, The 1998
    Raw Talent 1984
    All That Sex 1990
    Hustler XXX Video 1 2000
    Satisfiers of Alpha Blue, The 1980
    Ben Dover's Banned in Britain 1995
    Sorority Sex Kittens 1 1995
    Dinner Party, The 1994
    Watchers 2000
    Perverted Stories 1: Where Fantasy Becomes Reality 1995
    Depraved Fantasies 1994
    Skin (Die prufung) 1994
    Conquest 1996
    West Side 2000
    Underworld 2001
    Naked Came the Stranger 1975

  • hill89 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    "Beyond the Green Door" that Cliff mentioned should be "Behind the Green Door", unless there's another movie that I haven't heard of and can't find. Some that I'll add:

    Water Power (1977)
    Aunt Peg
    Aunt Peg Goes to Hollywood
    Aunt Peg's Corruption
    Taboo (1980)
    Taboo II (1982)
    Taboo III (1984)
    Teenage Twins (1976)
    Pirates (2005)
    Pirates II: Stagnetti's Revenge (2008)

    Some already mentioned below, but I'll add them to an actual list:
    Long Jeanne Silver
    Nightdreams (1981)

    This will probably have some cross over with what's already been mentioned, but I found a list some one made for what AVN voted as the 101 best adult movies. I think the fact that they're considered the best by what's essentially the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences of the adult film world means that they should at least be taken into consideration. The list can be found at https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=320BC2737BD0BAC8!246&cid=320bc2737bd0bac8&app=Excel&authkey=!AAN_IWh_Odh2DXg.

    While I think adding films on an individual basis could word for now, I still think the best option will be to allow people to choose whether or not to filter out adult content, but that's just a suggestion.

  • Cliff commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Surely this can be a group effort. I'll start things off:

    Deep Throat
    Debbie Does Dallas
    Beyond the Green Door
    The Devil in Miss Jones
    The Opening of Misty Beethoven
    Through the Looking Glass
    Café Flesh
    Corruption
    Thundercrack!

    Probably anything put out by legit cineaste labels like Synapse and Vinegar Syndrome.

  • hill89 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Is the plan to do it on a film by film basis? If so, I think a good idea would be maybe just a simple page where people can recommend movies to be added to the exception list so that we're not creating a big jumbled list here, but I'll try to come up with some soon to help get things started.

  • AdminMatthew Buchanan (Admin, Letterboxd) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Let’s do this: can someone in this thread compile a list of “important/historically significant” adult films that should be on LB. Then we can see about adding an exceptions list to our importer that uses this list.

  • fiffy_rico commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    This is really vital. As others have mentioned, there are plenty of porn films that are unquestionably important to cinematic history. This policy simply reproduces the a priori assumption that any and all "porn" is inherently "less cinematic" than even the trashiest, goriest, most violent exploitation crap (speaking as someone who loves that stuff too!). As long as it doesn't have too much bewbs or unsimulated doing-it! I don't even like porn but argh I feel like I have to defend it here.

    But all of this stuff is valid, especially especially to those researching representation of sexuality and gender (ok ok and ppl who just wanna catalogue their spankbanks I guess, WHATEVER!). I mean, we don't need to include a bunch of gonzo scenes, right? But even fairly recent feature-length stuff like the Pirates of the Caribbean parody should be included imo.
    [I'm not sure if I can make a proper philosophical distinction between gonzo scenes with threadbare, repetitive narrative gestures and full-length porn parodies without undercutting my smartypants "a priori" argument above but at least we need to start with the stuff we know has had historical impact, like the titles already mentioned in this thread.]

  • Alex commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    What is "straight pornographic material"? Gonzo porn from the web? It's clear to me that these are not FILMS.

    But films like "Long Jeanne Silver" or "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" certainly are, and gravely important ones at that. Thus they should be made available, as well as any other pornographic work that can be regarded as being a FILM. If this keeps getting ignored, you're excluding a huge section of world cinema. And I'm still not sure why. If needed, some form of "adult profile" should be easily implemented. Apart from that, it's hard to fathom that any child or adult will get corrupted by discussions about a 40 year old John Holmes film. I thought this site was about sharing the love of cinema. I'm sorry, but from its inception cinema includes pornography.

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