New System for Handling Films Marked as Adult
Recently, a lot of sexploitation and other classic exploitation and cult films have been removed from Letterboxd because someone on TMDB has been marking them as Adult. I think that the process of importing titles needs to be rethought, because it is drastically affecting my abilities to keep track of my lists and reviews, and it really hurts to see titles disappear after I have put effort into writing reviews and managing lists.
Something really needs to be done about this, because this has continued to be an issue since I first started using the site, and so far there has been no solution to these issues.
Let’s do this: can someone in this thread compile a list of “important/historically significant” adult films that should be on LB. Then we can see about adding an exceptions list to our importer that uses this list.
Jason Pettus commented
I don't understand why films labeled "adult" at TMDB are being blocked at Letterboxd in the first place. Is it so terrible to treat us like grown-ups and let us decide for ourselves which movies we watch are going to get listed at our accounts or not? I'm writing an entire book right now of analytical essays about various adult movies from the 1970s that blur the line between obscenity and the art-film crowd, and I can't post a single one of these reviews at Letterboxd. I'm 47 years old, staff, I should be allowed to list a movie with wee-wees and ha-has if I want to.
I agree with street 100%.
Looking back at my tmdb account is really depressing. So many reviews I've written that are lost now because of this annoying tag. Please allow adult films. Even if adult films were allowed across the board I don't think any LB user is interested in reviewing random garbage porn, assuming that is the fear here.
Like Nick's film, Images in a Convent (https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/30493-immagini-di-un-convento/) is a film that just happens to have some harder sex scenes in it, and really shouldn't be marked adult.
Vinnie De Craim commented
As of today, I still can't add films like "Deep Throat" or "The Devil in Miss Jones."
Hi, just curious how this is coming along?
@Nick Sorry, it’s been reclassified as Adult by another TMDb moderator, so got removed again. We don't have the resources to look into it further, I’d suggest approaching someone in their forums if it’s definitely miscategorized.
The link doesn't seem to work and the film still doesn't show up when you click on Andrea Bianchi's name.
@Nick Fixed. http://boxd.it/Ce
Progress on this may take some time, we have some other priorities to hit first.
'Malabimba' (1979) isn't available to add on Letterboxd because Tmdb has it marked as adult even though it is an Italian possession/horror film with a couple harder scenes. This film has been put out by Severin films and can be purchased on any online site. This is the kind of film that shouldn't be limited. It's one of my favorite erotic horror films and I can't add it to my page.
Is anything still happening with this?
M Kitchell commented
I feel like there's something inherently limiting to the idea that a film has to be on a pre-approved list to be considered important or historically significant, because it entirely precludes the possibility of discovery--especially in a zeitgeist where lost or forgotten films are re-found and re-discovered almost every day, I feel like it's difficult to make any list that would be all inclusive.
One potential solution would be to just allow all adult film made before video took over the the pornography industry (which someone with more historical knowledge than me should jump in on, but I'd suggest somewhere around '86 to '88 probably), while having a list of pre-approved films that would follow after that. I would expect 95% of what people would want to be logging and discussing would qualify under this sort of rubric, and then it'd be much easier to come up with a much shorter list that is just '88 to now (similarly, I would believe that films from the dawning of the genre to the switch to video as a primary medium would be where the undiscovered gems are sitting, since economically there was a lot less need for any sort of experimentation or narrative once video hit). This also would inherently allow almost everything listed thus far.
Off the top of my head, here relevant post-video titles could pretty easily be culled from the chapter on "New Wave Pornography" in David Flint's book BABYLON BLUE from Creation Cinema. This is a lot of work along the lines of what was made by David Blake, Michael Ninn--who made both all male & much more famous heterosexual pornography, the Dark Brothers (and of course Rinse Dream's oeuvre shouldn't be cut off at a certain date).
This brings up a related issue, and something especially relevant to Letterboxd--there are a number of auteurs who worked occasionally in pornography. Abel Ferrara, Roger Watkins, Jess Franco, Jean Rollin, Jose Benezeraf, and many more, and not being able to discuss certain works by important film directors closes out some of the more dynamic elements of their careers.
With all that being said, if a "comprehensive list" is really needed, I'd request that we're allowed some time to actually attempt to collectively throw this together, as I know I at least would want to comb through the large number of reference books on the subject, internet message boards, and just look at what's available before anything set in stone occurs.
C.A. Hall commented
Like Vinegar Syndrome and Distribpix..
C.A. Hall commented
How about any classic erotic films that have been recently released on blu-ray/dvd by reputable video distributors
Sensational Janine (1976)
Insatiable Janine (1982)
Just in case you can't open that One Drive from my previous comment, I'll paste it here. The number to the right is the year for each one.
Night Trips 1989
Nothing to Hide 1981
Latex and Latex 2:Shock 1995
Behind the Green Door 1972
Nothing to Hide 2: Justine 1992
Bobby Sox 1996
Buttman's European Vacation 1991
Opening of Misty Beethoven, The 1976
John Leslie's Dog Walker 1993
Devil in Miss Jones 3 and 4, The 1986
Drop Sex 1997
Debbie Does Dallas 1978
Café Flesh 1982
Sex World 1978
New Wave Hookers 1986
Devil in Miss Jones 1973
Face Dance Part 1 and 2 1992
Bad Wives 1997
Voyeur 5, The 1995
Talk Dirty to Me 1980
Chameleons: Not the Sequel 1993
Bottom Dweller 1993
Sex and Sex 2:Fate 1994
Never So Deep 1981
Bad Girls 1981
Neon Nights 1981
Body & Soul 1999
Between the Cheeks 2 1990
Fresh Meat: A Ghost Story 1995
Adventures of Buttman, The 1989
Rocco: Animal Trainer 3 2000
3 A.M.:The Time of Sexuality 1975
Double Feature! 1999
Resurrection of Eve, The 1973
In Defense of Savannah: On Trial 1991
Deep Throat 1972
History of the Blue Movie, A 1970
Reel People 1984
Euro Angels 1997
Ecstacy Girls, The 1979
House of Dreams 1990
SodoMania 1:Tales of Perversity 1992
Hidden Obsessions 1992
Private Video Magazine 1 1992
Kinky Business 1984
X Factor 1984
Wild Things 1985
Up & Cummers: The Movie 1994
Pyramid 1, 2, and 3, The 1996
Jekyll & Hyde 2000
Beauties in Paradise 1993
Blue Movie 1995
American Tushy 1996
Café Flesh 2 1997
Dark Garden 1999
New Wave Hookers 4 1995
Night Dreams 1981
Slave to Love 1993
Clockwork Orgy 1995
Pussyman 5: Captive Audience 1994
Wild Goose Chase 1991
Dark Angels 2000
Cheeks 2: The Bitter End 1989
Secret Garden, The 1993
World Sex Tour 1 1995
My Bare Lady 1989
Sensual Escape 1988
Firestorm 1, 2, and 3 1987
Farmer's Daughters: The Movie 1986
Amanda By Night 1981
Blame It on Ginger 1986
Bus Stop Tales 1989
Sorority Sweethearts 1983
White Women 1986
Two Women 1992
Masseuse, The 1990
Red Vibe Diaries: Object of Desire 1997
Texas Dildo Masquerade, The 1998
Raw Talent 1984
All That Sex 1990
Hustler XXX Video 1 2000
Satisfiers of Alpha Blue, The 1980
Ben Dover's Banned in Britain 1995
Sorority Sex Kittens 1 1995
Dinner Party, The 1994
Perverted Stories 1: Where Fantasy Becomes Reality 1995
Depraved Fantasies 1994
Skin (Die prufung) 1994
West Side 2000
Naked Came the Stranger 1975
"Beyond the Green Door" that Cliff mentioned should be "Behind the Green Door", unless there's another movie that I haven't heard of and can't find. Some that I'll add:
Water Power (1977)
Aunt Peg Goes to Hollywood
Aunt Peg's Corruption
Taboo II (1982)
Taboo III (1984)
Teenage Twins (1976)
Pirates II: Stagnetti's Revenge (2008)
Some already mentioned below, but I'll add them to an actual list:
Long Jeanne Silver
This will probably have some cross over with what's already been mentioned, but I found a list some one made for what AVN voted as the 101 best adult movies. I think the fact that they're considered the best by what's essentially the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences of the adult film world means that they should at least be taken into consideration. The list can be found at https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=320BC2737BD0BAC8!246&cid=320bc2737bd0bac8&app=Excel&authkey=!AAN_IWh_Odh2DXg.
While I think adding films on an individual basis could word for now, I still think the best option will be to allow people to choose whether or not to filter out adult content, but that's just a suggestion.
Surely this can be a group effort. I'll start things off:
Debbie Does Dallas
Beyond the Green Door
The Devil in Miss Jones
The Opening of Misty Beethoven
Through the Looking Glass
Probably anything put out by legit cineaste labels like Synapse and Vinegar Syndrome.
I’m happy to collate them from comments here, or for you to link to a Google doc or similar where you can collaborate. Please ping me via these comments when you’ve got an initial list together…
Is the plan to do it on a film by film basis? If so, I think a good idea would be maybe just a simple page where people can recommend movies to be added to the exception list so that we're not creating a big jumbled list here, but I'll try to come up with some soon to help get things started.