New System for Handling Films Marked as Adult
Recently, a lot of sexploitation and other classic exploitation and cult films have been removed from Letterboxd because someone on TMDB has been marking them as Adult. I think that the process of importing titles needs to be rethought, because it is drastically affecting my abilities to keep track of my lists and reviews, and it really hurts to see titles disappear after I have put effort into writing reviews and managing lists.
Something really needs to be done about this, because this has continued to be an issue since I first started using the site, and so far there has been no solution to these issues.
Let’s do this: can someone in this thread compile a list of “important/historically significant” adult films that should be on LB. Then we can see about adding an exceptions list to our importer that uses this list.
It's upsetting that there are plenty of films I've seen that I can't add. We really should just do a filter that each person can turn off and on in their settings to specify whether they want to see adult films or not. I think that would be much simpler than creating an exception list and having to add stuff to it every time some one suggests something.
The Private Afternoons Of Pamela Mann has been mentioned, directed by Radley Metzger, who just died. I find it depressing that I just saw it but cannot log this one in.
I notice more movies disappearing because of this every day and it's really frustrating. Luckily there are more obscure titles that make it through because nobody cares to check up on them, but for more popular movies like by Jean Rollin and Jess Franco which I've noticed, keep randomly disappearing. Why not add an option to toggle whether "adult" films are shown or not like how TMDB does? People who don't want to see them won't have to and those who want to still can. I really want to like Letterboxd but this is definitely hindering my experience on the site and I'm wary to write reviews about certain movies in case they end up missing from the site.
A lot of films have been marked as Adult or Video on TMDB and has been deleted here which is really annoying. A lot of these movies are not Adult or compilation Videos
Any updates on this?
I put together this list over the site. So far, it's got a few likes - even if its nowhere the level as most lists get when they become popular. I still think it gauges that this is something quite a few (with the votes here on Feedback) would like to see happen.
I so, so, so would like to help contribute to this. There are so many “adult” titles that really deserve to be in the database simply on culturally significant terms. I still find it bizarre that "Deep Throat" isn't even on here (and I'm saying that as someone who absolutely despises that film) - and then while some of Metzger's adult films are here (due to TMDb not recognizing them as such), his most essential title (and one that had Oscar buzz in the year of its release) is "The Opening of Misty Beethoven" and it is also barred from being on Letterboxd.
Focusing strictly on cultural impact and/or artistic merit (some of these are by respected auteurs such as Abel Ferrara or Jesus Franco, Russ Meyer, Richard Kern, et all) … Not basing this on personal picks, at all - these are titles that should definitely be in the database beyond what the “adult” block would allow. As predictable, they grow less and less “significant” following the growth of the video and internet porn age (where many scholars of adult film as important to cinema tend to dwindle). I think that further illustrates these titles as worth Letterboxd entry, unlike, say, a “Sluts Vol. 9” DVD or something…
And yes, some of these may actually be in the TMDb database, unscathed by the block. But much of these aren't ... like how the cultural zeitgeist that is "Deep Throat" isn't allowed on Letterboxd, but its less unheard of or significant sequel is...
Mondo Topless (1966)
The Stewardesses (1969)
Italian Stallion (1970)
Boys in the Sand (1971)
The Geek (1971)
Behind the Green Door (1972)
Deep Throat (1972)
Devil in Miss Jones (1973)
Forced Entry (1973)
Angel Number 9 (1974)
Flesh Gordon (1974)
The Private Afternoons of Pamela Mann (1974)
The Passions of Carol (1975)
The Story of Joanna (1975)
9 Lives of a Wet Pussy (1976)
Alice in Wonderland: An X-Rated Musical Comedy (1976)
The First Nudie Musical (1976)
The Opening of Misty Beethoven (1976)
Through the Looking Glass (1976)
Anna Obsessed (1977)
The Devil Inside Her (1977)
The Enema Bandit (1977)
Debbie Does Dallas (1978)
Blonde Ambition (1981)
Neon Nights (1981)
Café Flesh (1982)
Satan’s Baby Doll (1982)
Taboo II (1982)
Three Daughters (1986)
Lulu’s Talking Ass (1986)
Stolen Honeymoon (1998)
The Fashionistas (2002)
If you need any kind of information – whether they be scholarly articles or links to reviews from top critics or awards signifiers – let me know. I can back up each and every one of these as worthy under the canon of art-driven cinema.
Jason Pettus commented
I don't understand why films labeled "adult" at TMDB are being blocked at Letterboxd in the first place. Is it so terrible to treat us like grown-ups and let us decide for ourselves which movies we watch are going to get listed at our accounts or not? I'm writing an entire book right now of analytical essays about various adult movies from the 1970s that blur the line between obscenity and the art-film crowd, and I can't post a single one of these reviews at Letterboxd. I'm 47 years old, staff, I should be allowed to list a movie with wee-wees and ha-has if I want to.
I agree with street 100%.
Looking back at my tmdb account is really depressing. So many reviews I've written that are lost now because of this annoying tag. Please allow adult films. Even if adult films were allowed across the board I don't think any LB user is interested in reviewing random garbage porn, assuming that is the fear here.
Like Nick's film, Images in a Convent (https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/30493-immagini-di-un-convento/) is a film that just happens to have some harder sex scenes in it, and really shouldn't be marked adult.
Vinnie De Craim commented
As of today, I still can't add films like "Deep Throat" or "The Devil in Miss Jones."
Hi, just curious how this is coming along?
@Nick Sorry, it’s been reclassified as Adult by another TMDb moderator, so got removed again. We don't have the resources to look into it further, I’d suggest approaching someone in their forums if it’s definitely miscategorized.
The link doesn't seem to work and the film still doesn't show up when you click on Andrea Bianchi's name.
@Nick Fixed. http://boxd.it/Ce
Progress on this may take some time, we have some other priorities to hit first.
'Malabimba' (1979) isn't available to add on Letterboxd because Tmdb has it marked as adult even though it is an Italian possession/horror film with a couple harder scenes. This film has been put out by Severin films and can be purchased on any online site. This is the kind of film that shouldn't be limited. It's one of my favorite erotic horror films and I can't add it to my page.
Is anything still happening with this?
M Kitchell commented
I feel like there's something inherently limiting to the idea that a film has to be on a pre-approved list to be considered important or historically significant, because it entirely precludes the possibility of discovery--especially in a zeitgeist where lost or forgotten films are re-found and re-discovered almost every day, I feel like it's difficult to make any list that would be all inclusive.
One potential solution would be to just allow all adult film made before video took over the the pornography industry (which someone with more historical knowledge than me should jump in on, but I'd suggest somewhere around '86 to '88 probably), while having a list of pre-approved films that would follow after that. I would expect 95% of what people would want to be logging and discussing would qualify under this sort of rubric, and then it'd be much easier to come up with a much shorter list that is just '88 to now (similarly, I would believe that films from the dawning of the genre to the switch to video as a primary medium would be where the undiscovered gems are sitting, since economically there was a lot less need for any sort of experimentation or narrative once video hit). This also would inherently allow almost everything listed thus far.
Off the top of my head, here relevant post-video titles could pretty easily be culled from the chapter on "New Wave Pornography" in David Flint's book BABYLON BLUE from Creation Cinema. This is a lot of work along the lines of what was made by David Blake, Michael Ninn--who made both all male & much more famous heterosexual pornography, the Dark Brothers (and of course Rinse Dream's oeuvre shouldn't be cut off at a certain date).
This brings up a related issue, and something especially relevant to Letterboxd--there are a number of auteurs who worked occasionally in pornography. Abel Ferrara, Roger Watkins, Jess Franco, Jean Rollin, Jose Benezeraf, and many more, and not being able to discuss certain works by important film directors closes out some of the more dynamic elements of their careers.
With all that being said, if a "comprehensive list" is really needed, I'd request that we're allowed some time to actually attempt to collectively throw this together, as I know I at least would want to comb through the large number of reference books on the subject, internet message boards, and just look at what's available before anything set in stone occurs.
C.A. Hall commented
Like Vinegar Syndrome and Distribpix..